Clipped Wings (chapters 17-20) + QandA with Helena Hunting + GIVEAWAY!!

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This week’s discussion on Clipped Wings by Helena Hunting is for chapters 17-20. Helena answers more questions following the discussion and there’s a giveaway too!

As chapter 17 opens Hayden’s OCD is highlighted as he tries to make order of Tenley’s disorganization. In the book it comes across as endearing and helpful but if it were a real life situation would it be perceived that way? Thoughts?

Tamie: On the one hand I think it would be great to have someone to organize my clutter like Hayden did for Tenley, but on the other hand I think I’d find it irritating as well. I’m kind of funny about other people going through my stuff even if it helps me.

Elena: I think there’s no definite answer to that. It depends on the people involved. Some find it frustrating, others don’t really mind. Personally, I would be a bit bothered by it, but if I loved this person, then I’d just leave him do it.

Also in chapter 17 Tenley mentions that Hayden “makes it better” during one scene and that she “needs him” in another. Both scenes revolve around their physical connection. Discuss…

Elena: Physical connection makes you feel wanted and needed, and there’s no doubt that Hayden and Tenley’s physical encounters are very intense. More so because the connection isn’t just physical, but also emotional. I believe the emotional factor is fundamental when having sex.

Tamie: I agree Elena. I think that the level of connection they share goes far beyond just the physical aspect of their relationship, but I also believe that it’s easy to use the release that sex offers in order to defer other emotions that a person isn’t ready to deal with yet. I think in this scene that’s what Tenley was doing. I actually believe that soul mates exist outside of the book world btw, but also in this story I think it’s true for Hayden and Tenley as well. I don’t think either of them realizes that yet and there’s a lot of stuff they still need to get through.

During the tattoo session Tenley promises to disclose part of her past only if Hayden agreed to do the same first. What do you think of her move?

Tamie: I’m glad that she’s finally going to share something important even if she makes Hayden go first. I absolutely understand why she’s so scared of sharing because of the way she feels she’s to blame for what happened. Both of what they experienced separately is devastating, and to talk about feels so impossible, but they need to so BADLY!!!!

Elena: If I were in her situation I would have probably done the same. Sometimes you’re just not ready to do the first move and tell everything first, especially with a past experience such as Tenley’s. She is still very insecure and scared of what Hayden might think of her, so it’s understandable that she wants him to talk first.

Hayden tells Tenley about his parents and about him feeling guilty. What was your reaction to his confession?

Elena: My heart ached for him. I couldn’t believe what I was reading. I was very sad to see that he feels about it, especially because he really believes it. He shouldn’t berate himself, though. None of this was his fault. Hayden and Tenly have so much in common — they both feel guilty for something they didn’t do and I believe this will help them understand each other better than they think.

Tamie: Both of them have suffered incomprehensible loss, and although Hayden has had a much longer time to process and deal with his, he hasn’t received closure yet. So beyond the guilt he feels there’s that as well. I’m like Elena and my heart hurts for him. I’m just so glad they are both taking tentative steps in what I believe is the direction they need to go.

Tenley discloses to Hayden part of what happened to her , but not everything. Do you think she should have told him all of it or not?

Elena: No, I don’t. I think one should tell everything when they feel ready, and Tenley is clearly not ready. I’ve always believed that when you push someone, you only do damage.

Tamie: Honestly I have mixed feelings about this. I don’t think the tattoo shop is the place for full disclosure, but I’d really like to see it happen sooner rather than later. Trust is difficult when you’re in a brand new relationship, but is there ever going to be a perfect time and place for the hard conversations?

After the first tattoo session is over Sienna makes an appearance at the shop. What was your reaction to how Hayden handled it? Also, discuss the aftermath…

Tamie: I was all over the place emotionally while reading this. First I was pissed that Lisa didn’t immediately knock on the door and let Hayden know what was happening. Then I was shocked and pissed at the way Hayden handled it, although at the same time I got why he did it. I was pissed off at Sienna because she won’t let go and she’s a skanky bitch anyway. Then when Hayden tried to fix things I got pissed at how Sarah dealt with the whole situation. Clearly, I was just one pissed off reader throughout the whole clusterfuck. *runs off to go hit something*

Elena: That was quite the scene and an unexpected one for me… I already said how much I despise Sienna and this scene made me hate her even more…I think Hayden was shocked as well, and that’s why, in my opinion, he didn’t handle it as well as he could have. Letting Tenley leave like that without really explaining wasn’t the best move. But I don’t feel like holding it against him, since he found himself in a situation he didn’t want. It’s something difficult to handle, considering Hayden doesn’t want to disclose much about him and Sienna. He still has a lot to learn when it comes to his relationship with Tenley, because it’s all so new to both of them.

Your favorite quote:

Tamie: “What are you, a fucking parrot?”

“Sure. Nice lip gloss, by the way. The sparkles really accent the viper bites.”

“We both know that’s not how I roll. Now I suggest you get the fuck out of my shop before I call the police for solicitation. You’re certainly dressed for the part.”

Elena: ” I wasn’t lying when I said you were the only one. I don’t want anyone else but you.”

Your favorite scene:

Elena: Tenley’s tattoo session with Hayden.

Tamie: The tattoo session.

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Here’s this week’s Q and A with Helena:

Elena- Do you have a favorite scene between Hayden and Tenley in these chapters?

I think my favourite scene is also where my favourite line in the entire book is, “Everyone has scars, Tenley. If we’re lucky, we only have the ones on the outside.”

When Tenley gives in and lets Hayden see the scars it’s such a pertinent moment and the turning point for both of them. Tenley finally allows him to see how deep the damage goes, despite the catch 22 it presents for her. Showing him means facing all her own demons internally, such as what she’s doing with Hayden, how far it’s going to go, how deep their connection will become and how hard it’s going to be to let go of the guilt. Not to mention how vulnerable it makes her to the possibility of losing this tenuous thing she has with him. Her fear that he’s going to walk is very real to her.

Tenley has lost everything important to her and Hayden fills a massive void. Although her inclination is to push all the physical boundaries of their relationship, the real origin of the need stems from an inherent desire for connection. Divulging the events of her past could create an emotional connection to mirror the physical one they have, but it could put their relationship at risk. Tenley is very much aware of what the fallout will look like for her emotionally and mentally if that happened.

Tamie- How easy or difficult is it for you to write those hot scenes between Hayden and Tenley?

Sometimes it’s easy, sometimes it’s not. It depends on the scene and whose POV it’s written from.
Hayden is such an intense character, so it’s easy to write his thought process through everything because he’s so overwhelmingly vocal. Tenley however is emotionally guarded, more than Hayden even, so that scenes from her POV can be a little more arduous to get down. She wants to let go and give in to the emotional tidal wave, but at the same time, that kind of sexual freedom and exploration is uncharted for her, so there are moments where she has difficulty processing it all.

That being said, the chemistry between them felt natural, and the moments where they come together are either a result of the pent up tension or the need to find a way to connect that doesn’t necessarily include revealing details of their past. Their physical connection is simply a manifestation of their emotional bond, but both of them have difficulty recognizing, or owning it, for what it is. At least up to this point.

You do such a great job of transitioning between the dual POV’s. Do you write them as they appear in the book, ie Hayden then Tenley, etc. or do you write them out of sequence?

Every time I try to write the story out of sequence, ie. a scene or a chapter that’s supposed to come later on, I end up scraping most of it and starting fresh. The idea or concept might remain the same, but the content often changes significantly. As the story progresses the intention is for the characters to grow, or regress, depending on the events. I’ve written chapters that come later in the book and then I’ve had to rework them entirely. Too much happens with the characters that their reactions at the time I’ve written the scene have changed by the time I’m ready for that chapter or scene. I’ve learned to jot down the idea or the bones of the scene that’s coming but wait until I’m there before I start writing it. As a rule, I write the book in a linear fashion, starting at the beginning and working my way through.

Huge thanks and many hugs to Helena for taking time to answer our questions.

If you have something you’d like to ask her regarding Clipped Wings just leave it in the comment section by Wed. and we’ll forward them to her for next week.

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6 thoughts on “Clipped Wings (chapters 17-20) + QandA with Helena Hunting + GIVEAWAY!!

  1. Mary Jo Toth says:

    In chapter 13 Tenley comes up with a loophole for Hayden’s rule. Hayden accepts and they have sex for the first time. What do you think of Hayden breaking the rule and the whole scene? Discuss…
    So glad this happened after how we ended last week with Hayden walking out and hurting Tenley’s feelings. Loved her avoidance techniques but also was proud of Hayden for taking Lisa’s advice to repair their relationship. Loved on Tenley was more aggressive and “suggested” the loophole. I think Hayden had to break the rule because he cares about Tenley too much not to have her in his life and the sexual chemistry is very hard for both of them to ignore.

    Tenley doesn’t want to share with Hayden what happened to her yet. Why do you think that is? Would you have done the same?
    Tenley is still struggling with the accident and she feels she is responsible, we know how much guilt she is carrying inside, so this is what stops her from telling Hayden – her fear that he will look at differently or see her guilt. I also think she likes having people see her without looking through the “rose colored” glasses of the accident. After it happened she talks about how everyone back home really couldn’t see anything else when the talked to her. She gets distance from that time period by keeping her secret. I’m not sure if I would have done the same – based on what we know of the trauma and the fallout, my guess is yes, I would keep the secret too.

    When Hayden goes into Inked Armor the next morning Chris and Lisa find out that the rule has been broken. In fact, Chris and Hayden almost end up in a physical fight which Lisa puts a stop to, and then takes Hayden to the office where they discuss many things. What were your thoughts on both situations?
    Lisa continues to surprise me and show me it would be fascinating to read her story. I loved how she isn’t afraid to stand between 2 alpha men and put them in their place … made me smile! I didn’t like how Chris pushed Hayden but based on past interactions it made sense with how they deal with each other. Hayden showed his possessiveness of Tenley with his reactions. I have a feeling if the shoe were on the other foot Hayden would have done something similar to Chris.

    At one point Lisa says to Hayden “It’s not that simple, Hayden. We’re not machines. We don’t have replacement parts. I love Jamie, he’s my world and he always will be, but he didn’t fix me. He gave me a reason to fix myself.” What do you think of her words? Do you believe a person can fix another one or not?
    Lisa is very wise and I hope her words truly sink in for Hayden in how he can help Tenley. I’m sure everyone has had someone in their life that experienced trauma or developed an addiction and you just want to fix this for them but ultimately you learn all you can do is be supportive so that when that person is ready you can be part of the support system to help them fix/repair themselves to come out on the other side in a better place.

    Week 4 – Ch. 17-20

    As chapter 17 opens Hayden’s OCD is highlighted as he tries to make order of Tenley’s disorganization. In the book it comes across as endearing and helpful but if it were a real life situation would it be perceived that way? Thoughts?
    This would bother me, yes, I have clutter but it’s my clutter and my home so don’t touch. Though I can acknowledge that some organization is needed. For Tenley I think this was a good thing, she is at loose ends in a lot of ways and I’m not sure she is aware of some of her disorganization. For Hayden I feel like this was a way for him to show he cares, it quietly allowed him to bring apart of himself to her apartment.

    Also in chapter 17 Tenley mentions that Hayden “makes it better” during one scene and that she “needs him” in another. Both scenes revolve around their physical connection. Discuss…
    I’m struggling with this one, I love their physical connection and attraction to each other. I see this as a way for both of them to find healing. At the same time, their physical relationship is creating an escape from the emotional pain – not sure if this is bad or good since in some ways you could view this as a way to hide from dealing with the issues or it will truly lead to healing as they both face the scars of their past and move forward together – that kindred spirit connection.

    During the tattoo session Tenley promises to disclose part of her past only if Hayden agreed to do the same first. What do you think of her move?
    I thought this was a great approach, Tenley gained confidence through Hayden as they both revealed parts of their pasts. There is still more to both of their stories but this is a step in the right direction as they cope with the guilt and pain of the trauma each of them faced.

    Hayden tells Tenley about his parents and about him feeling guilty. What was your reaction to his confession?
    I was blown away since he couldn’t be responsible for this happening but as an 18 year old that is making bad choices you can see why he would go down that path. We knew that something major had happened to him but I never envisioned something like this.

    Tenley discloses to Hayden part of what happened to her , but not everything. Do you think she should have told him all of it or not?
    I agree with Tamie that Tenley needs to reveal the entire story sooner rather than later. I think we all know that when you withhold information it tends to smack you in the face at some point when you least expect it to and makes the situation worse that if you had just told the truth. I sense something like this happening with Hayden and Tenley. As much as this is painful for her it will be better coming for her not someone else especially since Sarah almost gave it away.

    After the first tattoo session is over Sienna makes an appearance at the shop. What was your reaction to how Hayden handled it? Also, discuss the aftermath…
    I love Tamie’s assessment … did you get your frustrations out? I was pissed that Sienna was at the shop and yes, felt Lisa should have alerted Hayden right away. I’m not sure how Hayden could have handled this better since he was caught off guard after an intense session with Tenley. His mind was definitely occupied making it harder to react to Sienna’s appearance. I did love his threat to call the cops for solicitation. I was then frustrated with Sarah, I really don’t think she should have made Hayden leave Tenley.

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  2. bn100 says:

    Interesting info about writing from dual POVs and certain scenes

    Like to read dual POVs; good to know they transition seamlessly

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  3. Hayden’s OCD: I would be REALLY uncomfortable with someone messing with my notes. But Tenley hasn’t had anyone to take care of her in a while, so I’d expect her to have a different response than I would.

    Physical connection: I think Tamie’s response is spot-on about Tenley using sex to defer dealing with her emotions. She’s definitely using it as an avoidance tactic. A pretty stellar one, though. 😉

    Tattoo session: I was actually really relieved that Hayden’s past came up because up till this point I wasn’t too sure how aware Tenley was that he had serious stuff in his past too. She’d speculated that his tattoos had significance, but that’s about it, from what I recall. Otherwise, it’s been all about her, mainly because her trauma is more recent, although Hayden didn’t really know that for sure. I was worried she’d come across as selfish after too long, so I’m glad he got a chance to talk about it.

    Hayden’s confession: I like that they both feel guilty for what they went through. Because they each can see that the other shouldn’t feel the least bit guilty, maybe it can help them see that their own guilt is unwarranted.

    Tenley’s disclosure: I thought it was so wrong that she didn’t tell the whole story, but made him think that was everything. But I loved it because it’s bound to lead to mucho drama later.

    Sienna: Ugh, so frustrated with Hayden! But what could he do? (Check on Tenley a little sooner, for one…) He couldn’t show Sienna his weak spot, after all. The whole scene with Sarah had me on edge — I was annoyed, but I also loved all the emotions swirling around. It was probably my favourite, just because so much was at stake and could go wrong.

    Fave line: The lip gloss one. Nice visual! Also,
    “I can see why you’re into him. He’s got that badass man-pretty thing going on.”

    Lila

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  4. mlynpeters says:

    I enjoy a book with multiple POV. It helps to understand the characters at one time, rather than reading 2 seperate books.

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  5. Steph W. says:

    1. Question for Helena: If you could pick a theme song each and together (so three songs total) for Hayden and Tenley what would the songs be?
    2. As chapter 17 opens Hayden’s OCD is highlighted as he tries to make order of Tenley’s disorganization. In the book it comes across as endearing and helpful but if it were a real life situation would it be perceived that way? Thoughts?

    Hayden’s OCD is definitely a quirk that makes me love him. I mean I would love to have a guy that is organized and help clean up after me. But I also understand for some people OCD is a debilitating disease that makes daily life difficult. Hayden’s OCD is a consequence of his past and it really shows how deep that scar runs in him. But it seems that Hayden’s OCD is more limited to his living space. Overall, I’m not sure how this will be perceived in real life. I’m sure different people will have different opinions on this.

    3. Also in chapter 17 Tenley mentions that Hayden “makes it better” during one scene and that she “needs him” in another. Both scenes revolve around their physical connection. Discuss…

    I mean there is no doubt that physical connection enhances and intensifies emotional connection. For Hayden and Tenley, they both have been through a lot of emotional and physical trauma. I can see them as half of a whole, they complement and complete each other. Prior to them sharing their pasts, I am sure that they recognize (but yet to mention) the pain from each other’s past. And physical connection allows them to share something together. I think this togetherness is what the physical connection offers. Hayden and Tenley have awful pasts that ordinary people simply can’t comprehend. In some ways they are kindred spirits and physical connection is another layer to that.

    4. During the tattoo session Tenley promises to disclose part of her past only if Hayden agreed to do the same first. What do you think of her move?

    I am glad that she is finally going to share. I thought it’s a fair move in her case, since what she is about to share is something so profoundly tragic. I agree with Elena that Tenley is scared and insecure and worries about what Hayden might think of her. There is a lot of guilt Tenley feels, which is understandable, yet completely ridiculous. I’m sure she isn’t asking Hayden to speak first to feel better about the situation but more of asking for courage.

    5. Hayden tells Tenley about his parents and about him feeling guilty. What was your reaction to his confession?

    I agree with you both completely! I was initially stunned. I couldn’t believe what I was reading. Hayden and Tenley have so much in common. The pain, suffering, loneliness, isolation… But in a twistedly perfect way, they understand each other the best. I guess this is what fate looks like. Their horrific pasts have brought them here and brought them to each other. They are the perfect companion because no one can understand what they each are going through better than the other person. But GEEZ, WHY!?!?!

    6. Tenley discloses to Hayden part of what happened to her , but not everything. Do you think she should have told him all of it or not?

    I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, I don’t think Tenley is ready to tell the whole story simply because it’s just too much to disclose all at once. But then by leaving things unsaid, it leaves seeds of doubt and distrust in a relationship. I don’t know. I am not sure what I would do in Tenley’s situation.

    7. After the first tattoo session is over Sienna makes an appearance at the shop. What was your reaction to how Hayden handled it? Also, discuss the aftermath…
    Oh Tamie, I completely agree with you. GAH Sienna, I just hate her (is that ok?!) I wanted to punch and slap her repeatedly (I promise I am usually not a violent person). I didn’t like that Hayden just sort of dismissed the Sienna situation. I mean that’s just bad move! You know it’s gonna come back and bite you in the ass later. Granted it was unexpected, but I just wish Sienna would go away.

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